alecalecalec wrote:those wings you mentioned actually requires the player to attack the other player.
They may be attack-triggered effects but that doesn't make it any weaker. Not all classes have completely given up dps builds. I've tested dps builds that capitalize on this combination.
alecalecalec wrote:let's say we're facing a player with FVH how would we manage that? other skills you might say. but the player with the FVH has his own skills too and has the element of surprise in his/her arsenal.
It's a really powerful advantage, I agree. But read my message above: "Regardless of effect, we're still talking about PvP. It's an arena where you're supposed to be on your toes. Anybody who neglects preparing for an invisible foe, regardless of class, ought to have prepared better. Especially since information about a wing giving that specific skill was freely available, if only the player had taken time to look."
This is why we have the detect and other skills. If it's still not enough, there's always Maya Purple since this completely negates the enemies' advantage/element of surprise.
alecalecalec wrote:pvp-wise we'd like to have the convenience of cloaking too.
Nothing is stopping you there. Because of the wing, you have two ways to get it already.
alecalecalec wrote:that part about other players exhanging FVH for Sin X cards? i disagree. no other wing could replace the resistance given by certain garment cards.
That is true on some occasions, I agree, but that depends on your class and your fighting tactic. Not everyone is built to receive damage and rely on resistances to reduce said damage. Some people, as previously established, like to hide or cloak away after dealing damage. It's a matter of technique so you can't generalize and say that nobody else will.
And on the note of how there are "no other wing[s]", not all the equipment have been released. If you researched, there exists experimental wings such as the bloody yin yang which offer just that: damage reduction. You can't judge the current equip sets available as if they were final since the server is still in the beta and bugtesting stages. New things can still be implemented which is why the "no better wings" argument fails at this point.
alecalecalec wrote:deviling wing could be a substitute but then again you'd like to have the option of choosing which element since any job class could throw any element type damage.
This is why we don't claim for the wings to be an exact replacement for the garment slot. It's meant to challenge the player to combine, experiment and to sacrifice---not to give a single surefire route. If you wanted options, then you give up the cloak card. If you wanted the other wing effects, you give up the cloak wings. That's all there is. Wings aren't meant to be garment slot version two.
alecalecalec wrote:no i wouldn't want the wings and the cards gone. what i want is new effect for the wings something on tier with the other lower headgears.a chance to cast (_) or increase (_) damage by (_)%?
Understandable; I like having the card and wings too. But removing the cloak skill from the wing? That takes away the extra edge in equipment combining that we have now. If you take away the option to have an alternative like what I mentioned in the lines above, things become more clear cut and rigid. Your options for combinations grow fewer and less strategic planning will be necessary (not that you won't have any at all, since you'll still have a lot, only less).
Besides, if the wings' purposes were only for autocasting and resistances, what's gonna differentiate our server from all the other servers who do the same?
alecalecalec wrote:"ask yourself that question" about that i wasn't trying to be arrogant. i thought it would be something you'd tell me if we were in another situation. it's more of a Banryun and Alec thing =))
Understood. Kindly leave the personal/irl rapport outside of official discussions, please.
alecalecalec wrote:and yes most if not all job classes are stronger with the cloaking skill.
Stronger, but never invincible. Do you think it's a bad thing? Is it bad enough to completely remove as a wing?